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I am not flying anywhere, but I have been fascinated and alternately appalled by the stories in the news about the new Whole Body Scanners. From what I have determined, the radiation exposure is NOT something we should subject our radiated bodies to. So our alternative is to be groped by a stranger.
I know they have to look for bombs or whatever because of 9/11. But in a way, the state things are at the airports now makes it seem like the terrorists have won. They want to disrupt our way of life. Isn't that what is happening?


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Heh, funny thing, Gina, I was just looking at articles about that, too!

I don't fly much, haven't in years, and doubt I will be any time soon, but I've decided that I won't submit to that violation if I do. The stories of people who have stood up for their right not to be paraded naked in front of strangers, tho, their stories are very alarming. So is this entire situation! Is this REALLY keeping us safer? I don't think so, truly. It's far, far too random to be a true deterrent to anything. Given human nature, opportunity, and the tendency to abuse power and authority (and the amount of bad that's already been demonstrated in these areas), I think it's a really, really bad idea.

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I've been reading about this too and hope that I don't have to fly anytime in the near future ...   I've read horror stories of women traveling with small children who could not go through the body scanner and had to go through the "new enhanced screening" where they basically aggressively feel up every part of your body ...   one blogger is considering a lawsuit since her lawyer's opinion is that she was sexually assaulted as the screener neglected to tell her where she'd be touching her ...  she was sooo upset by the incident that she was shaking  - this enhanced screening is happening to children as well ... and people are questioning the horrors that people who've been sexually abused in the past will be subjected to.  

It seems extremely excessive to me...

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I am trying to see this from various angles....

I don't like to be x-rayed for obvious reasons, namely radiation. If it is not for pregnant ladies (don't know if it is), I don't want it either.

I don't care if they see me naked, I'd rather strip than being x-rayed

If it deters bombers, high jackers, just by having it in place, it is a good thing to me, but, I go back to my first thought...the radiation.

I fly max once a year. This summer my daughter, who had a hip replacement (that thing makes the alarm go off), was patted down thoroughly. She has an orthopedic card, didn't matter, they had her unbutton the jeans (not pull down), spread her arms....all that in front of everybody and staring at her like she is a terrorist.

I know they have to do their job. We all know we can make ourself look overweight by wearing layers, cloaks, etc...suicide bombers/highjackers just could appear 'overdressed'....without pat-down or x-ray they could slip through. There is no 'best' method I think....whatever gets me down on the ground safely....


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I know the intent is safety ... but check out this article 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1331346/Cancer-survivor-forced-prosthetic-breast-TSA-agents-airport-pat-down.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

If that were me I'd be humiliated AND it would probably re-engage my PTSD

We need something better - but geesh ...   these aggressive pat-downs just go way to far ... they are a serious invasion of privacy in my mind.  There has got to be a better way...

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I just read the same article on msn and thought about this for a while.....
There is no right way.

If the prosthesis was touched, the lady didn't feel anything because it is removable, not like an implant. If she feels 'sexually' violated, she should have known before to remove it. If I carry a cane, it will go through the machine to be xrayed, crutches too (DD's had to be inspected), why not prosthesis'....it is a body form....a wooden leg etc. would be the same in scrutinized. This is not new. Pat downs happened before the xray machine.
Imagine the flights on 9/11...how did these guys get on with their weapons?? if I would live though that (and survive to tell about it), I would be traumatized too.



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Well, I'm flying the Thanksgiving weekend (leaving Wednesday for England and back on Monday), and then I'll be flying to South Africa on December 17th, and back on December 30th.  So at least two trips from the States (through the enhanced screening system) in the next 3 weeks. 

I was contemplating the machine version of the screening - but did wonder about the fact that as I'm still on chemo, I still have my port in place, (will this cause alarm bells?) and, just how "bad' the radiation really will be for the body.

But I really don't fancy the idea of the invasive pat-downs being done.  ("Pat down" in this context is, I think, an oxymoron.)

What to do, what to do? Guess it depends on my feeling at the time...

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I, personally, don't want to chance any more rads than necessary. If I was flying somewhere I would not go through that machine. Apparently, they only "pat you down" if the metal detector goes off or if you are wearing bulky clothing or have a look in your eye like you are capable of blowing up your underpants. Of course, I know a few people who look like that on a regular basis!!

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Well, that was actually anti-climatic (and a good thing!)  We flew out on Wednesday, and expected all sorts of commotions and crowds.  In reality, everything was very orderly - we were not required to do either the scanning or the pat downs.  There was not an extraordinary number of people around, considering that it was the day before Thanksgiving.  In fact, it was actually one of the least stressful departures we've had!

Flying back yesterday was more of the same - no fuss and no stress.

(Hope the flights to South Africa (via Dubai) are much the same.)

Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving.

Best wishes to all.

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